[OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

Vicky Vergara vicky at erosion.dev
Sat Dec 30 17:14:18 PST 2023 

Hi all,
Maybe my choice of words and ordering are wrong so I am rewording

FACT: We do not have nabble anymore.

We are ready to use discourse for the mailing lists,
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list,
  * keep working as always
* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
  * Example: pgRouting has a private category for the PSC
* Have a mirror of the mailing list in discourse
  * Currently read only
  * Its a mirror then keep working as always
  * With proper configuration It can be seen in mastodon
  * Example: pgRouting has a mirror of pgrouting-dev and pgrouting-users
* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
  * It moved, so the group will work using discourse
  * The archives will be kept.
  * the list will be disabled
  * Example: QGIS-users-fr

We are providing options.
Regards
Vicky



On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bruce Bannerman <
bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called
> Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists
> explaining the pros and cons of such a move.
>
> I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.
>
> This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a
> significant move.
>
> Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on
> 20 years.
>
> The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a
> community engagement issue. It is not something that technology will
> magically fix.
>
> It seems to me that we have a case of the tail wagging the dog.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On 29 Dec 2023, at 05:15, Jody Garnett via Discuss <
> discuss at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Reading online it appears there is:
>
> 1. A mailing list mode so notifications are sent out each time a post is
> made (this is a user preference)
>
> 2. A reply via email mode
>
> So experimentation is needed.
>
> Reference:
> -
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/8
> -
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-by-email-with-pop3-polling/14003
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an
>> informed decision.
>>
>> If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the
>> email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara <vicky at erosion.dev> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to
>>>> nabble used to? Is searchable etc …
>>>>
>>>> I don't know the details of how discourse works,
>>>
>>>
>>>> But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers
>>>> - so it is one way communication.
>>>>
>>> https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990
>>>
>>>
>>>> And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want
>>>> to ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and
>>>> getting yet more email).
>>>>
>>> Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory
>>> for Q&A
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara <vicky at erosion.dev>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jody
>>>>>
>>>>> We are offering options
>>>>>
>>>>> Before:
>>>>> Use mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>> After:
>>>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives only on
>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/
>>>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
>>>>> * Use discourse without a mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
>>>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]
>>>>> (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from
>>>>> mailing list)
>>>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing
>>>>> list and see the archives also on discourse)
>>>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3]
>>>>> was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
>>>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use
>>>>> mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>>>>> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
>>>>> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Vicky
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo
>>>>>> sign up form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is
>>>>>> being offered.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse
>>>>>>> options are being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1.
>>>>>>> Are mailing lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the
>>>>>>> mailing list and not add dicourse?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Eli
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of
>>>>>>> Vicky Vergara via Discuss <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* OSGeo Discussions <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vicky,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a
>>>>>>> category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site
>>>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>>> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails
>>>>>>> received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
>>>>>>> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be
>>>>>>> shown on the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>> The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a
>>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users",
>>>>>>> and they can log in using ldap, or github account.
>>>>>>> If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned
>>>>>>> to the person that logged in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Vicky
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss <
>>>>>>> discuss at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
>>>>>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
>>>>>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>>>>>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
>>>>>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not
>>>>>>> including private mailing lists):
>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
>>>>>>> Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Vicky Vergara
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to
>>>>>>> ticket 3063)
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>> Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Created the following discourse category
>>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>>>>>>> And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
>>>>>>> Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be
>>>>>>> received on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of
>>>>>>> january.
>>>>>>> Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062
>>>>>>> Created the following discourse category
>>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>>>>>>> The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the
>>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>> emails continue to be sent to sac at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>>> Replies can be done
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara
>>>>>>> But they will no be reflected on the mailing list
>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Example: of category without mailing list
>>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066
>>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> Discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>>>>
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