[OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
Jorge Sanz
jsanz at osgeo.org
Sun Dec 31 00:56:47 PST 2023
Hi Vicky, allVicky, can you please confirm that Discourse can be used from email so members of migrated lists like QGIS-Fr can keep interacting with the community on the new system from their mails as before, just using a different email address?I've seen your tests, but it'd be nice if you can provide more reassurance on this front.For what it is worth, Discourse is a mature Open Source discussion software that has been used for years now. Many Open Source projects, private companies, etc. are using it like OpenStreetMap, GNOME, Elastic, Atlassian, Ruby on Rails, etc. Many of those have migrated from mailman. For example, for GNOME, this is the main issue for the migration (where one of the goals is to keep allowing email interface)https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/Initiatives/-/issues/18As Vicky mentioned, this is a new option, and the objective is to increase the ways for members to interact.My personal opinion is that being the main forum for the Foundation, I'd play conservative and wait a bit for Discuss to be migrated until we have more experience and see how it works for other groups. There's no rush at all!On the other hand, as one of the administrators of the mailman instance, I can assure some admin tasks are much easier in the new system. For example, the most common request is to remove messages and for that, mailman only offers to get into the server, remove the message from an mbox file, and rebuild the archives.https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:Mailing_Lists#Remove_Mails_from_ArchiveDiscourse offers proper moderation tools like flagging, hiding, removing, etc.Hope it helps--Jorge Sanzhttps://jorgesanz.netSent from my phone, excuse my brevity and typos ---- On dg.,31 de des. 2023 01:14:18 +0100 discuss at lists.osgeo.org wrote ----Hi all,Maybe my choice of words and ordering are wrong so I am rewordingFACT: We do not have nabble anymore.We are ready to use discourse for the mailing lists,* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list, * keep working as always* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list * Example: pgRouting has a private category for the PSC* Have a mirror of the mailing list in discourse * Currently read only * Its a mirror then keep working as always * With proper configuration It can be seen in mastodon * Example: pgRouting has a mirror of pgrouting-dev and pgrouting-users* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse * It moved, so the group will work using discourse * The archives will be kept. * the list will be disabled * Example: QGIS-users-frWe are providing options.RegardsVickyOn Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists explaining the pros and cons of such a move. I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a significant move.Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on 20 years.The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a community engagement issue. It is not something that technology will magically fix.It seems to me that we have a case of the tail wagging the dog.Kind regards,BruceOn 29 Dec 2023, at 05:15, Jody Garnett via Discuss <discuss at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:Reading online it appears there is:1. A mailing list mode so notifications are sent out each time a post is made (this is a user preference)2. A reply via email modeSo experimentation is needed.Reference:- https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/8- https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-by-email-with-pop3-polling/14003--Jody GarnettOn Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an informed decision.If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.--Jody GarnettOn Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara <vicky at erosion.dev> wrote:On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to nabble used to? Is searchable etc …I don't know the details of how discourse works, But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers - so it is one way communication.https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990 And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting yet more email).Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory for Q&A --Jody GarnettOn Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara <vicky at erosion.dev> wrote:Hi JodyWe are offering optionsBefore:Use mailing listAfter:* Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/* Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse* Use discourse without a mailing list
This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1] (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from mailing list)* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse)* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3] was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)[1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5[2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13[3] https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1[4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/RegardsVickyOn Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign up form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is being offered.--Jody GarnettOn Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us> wrote:
Hi,
I'm also unclear on what is going on. It looks like discourse options are being added. This raises questions about mailing lists. 1. Are mailing lists going away? 2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing list and not add dicourse?
Thanks, Eli
From: Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Vicky Vergara via Discuss <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
Hi Jody,
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
Vicky,
Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.
Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown on the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.
The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.
Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a mailing list
When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users", and they can log in using ldap, or github account.
If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to the person that logged in.
Regards
Vicky
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Jody Garnett
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss <discuss at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
Hello all
We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list
A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including private mailing lists):
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases
Regards
Vicky Vergara
Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:
Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket 3063)
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Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063
Created the following discourse category
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be received on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of january.
Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org
Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062
Created the following discourse category
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the mailing list
emails continue to be sent to
sac at lists.osgeo.org
Replies can be done
https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara
But they will no be reflected on the mailing list
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html
Example: of category without mailing list
Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8
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