[Incubator] Fwd: pycsw incubation application

Tue Dec 18 17:07:20 PST 2012

Hi all,

There was a discussion earlier today on IRC (#osgeo) about pycsw 
community numbers etc:
http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2012-12-18.log

Daniel asked to raise here the following issue:

17:18:51 	dmorissette: 	agreedâEUR¦ and building the community is not 
easy and I hate to be perceived as a blocker for young projects when I 
bring up that community size criterai âEUR¦
17:20:33 	kalxas: 	as tomkralidis said before, we applied based on the 
evaluation criteria
17:20:42 	tomkralidis: 	dmorissette: it would be valuable if that 
criteria was somehow on 
http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/evaluation.html
17:20:46 	sigq: 	Title: Project Evaluation Criteria | OSGeo.org (at 
www.osgeo.org)
17:20:55 	kalxas: 	perhaps this document should be more strict to 
discourage us :)
17:21:04 	dmorissette: 	It's in the Desirables
17:21:24 	dmorissette: 	2. Project already has a substantial user 
community.
17:21:35 	dmorissette: 	3. Project already has a substantial and diverse 
developer community.
17:22:13 	dmorissette: 	Those desirables (all 9 points) should become 
requirementsâEUR¦ or it should be made more clear that by the end of 
incubation you need to achieve them
17:22:15 	tomkralidis: 	perhaps it should be in mandatory
17:22:35 	dmorissette: 	please bring up that point on the listâEUR¦ a 
very good one. This doc needs fixing
17:22:52 	dmorissette: 	Jody will probably grab the ball and address the 
issue

Another issue raised here in my opinion is also this: Should a project 
fulfill all desirables in order to be incubated or it must fulfill all 
desirables in order to graduate? The above evaluation document clearly 
states that "Projects should meet some or all of the Desirable 
Criteria". So our application was based on this not being discouraging 
for us. On the contrary we felt being good enough based on those 
criteria for incubation.

Perhaps this document should be more strict? Thoughts?

Cheers,
Angelos

On 12/18/2012 03:19 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote:
> Hi Angelos,
>
> Thank you for adding this Community page and link, it looks perfect to 
> me.
>
> I agree with Eli that it's hard to decide which pages are important 
> enough to make it to the nav. bar. when we design a website, but I 
> think that for an open source project, a link to something like this 
> community page is essential since the community is the blood of the 
> project: without a community of users and developers the project is 
> just stale source code. In the proprietary world there is a company 
> pumping blood into a product through its marketing and R&D teams, in 
> the open source world the community of users and devs *is* the blood.
>
> Only my opinion of course, all points of view are much welcome...
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On 12-12-18 7:18 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>> Hi Daniel and Eli,
>>
>> Thanks for your feedback.
>> We have made some changes, adding a Community link on the first page.
>>
>> http://pycsw.org/
>> http://pycsw.org/community.html
>>
>> Comments and questions are welcome.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Angelos
>>
>> On 12/14/2012 09:03 PM, Eli Adam wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Daniel Morissette
>>> <dmorissette at mapgears.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12-12-14 1:07 PM, Eli Adam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if this is new since yesterday, but I did find,
>>>>> http://pycsw.org/docs/support.html?highlight=mail and
>>>>> http://pycsw.org/docs/development.html?highlight=mail neither of 
>>>>> which
>>>>> were very prominent to people making little effort to find it.  It is
>>>>> hard to decide which are the most prominent items to put on the home
>>>>> page.
>>>>>
>>>> That's probably not new, I just didn't find it, thank you for the
>>>> pointer.
>>>> Unfortunately the shortest path I can find to get to it is 3 levels 
>>>> down
>>>> from the home page:
>>>>
>>>>    Home -> Docs -> 1.4.0 -> (scroll-down) -> Support
>>>>
>>>> Now that I know what to look for I guess I could have used the search
>>>> box.
>>>>
>>>> This made me realize that this site structure seems to be inspired
>>>> from the
>>>> MapServer website which suffers from a similar problem (except that
>>>> MapServer has a link to the "community activities" page in the intro
>>>> text of
>>>> the home page, but it's still fairly easy to miss).
>>> Putting the 'most important' things in a 'most prominent' manner is
>>> always very difficult, well at least deciding what those things are
>>> can be difficult.
>>>
>>> It has been my opinion for many years that the best approach to the
>>> MapServer documentation (which I think is great) is to use the search.
>>>   The same is probably true for GeoMOOSE and pycsw (and other Sphinx
>>> based) documentation.
>>>
>>> Eli
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Daniel Morissette
>>>> http://www.mapgears.com/
>>>> Provider of Professional MapServer Support since 2000
>>>>
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Angelos Tzotsos
Remote Sensing Laboratory
National Technical University of Athens
http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos

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