[Incubator] Fwd: Rasdaman as a 'Benevolent Dictatorship'

Tue Jul 30 23:05:39 PDT 2013

Agreed Jody.

The 'commit issue' was the approach that I took to try and get this issue
out in the open.

I'll wait until tomorrow morning (Australian Time) to allow time for other
Incubation Committee Members to comment, before I take this issue up with
the Rasdaman Community.

Bruce

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>wrote:

>  So I think that means they do not quality for OSGeo incubation. Part of
> our driver here is to promote open development (i.e. to ensure that anyone
> can take part - it is not pay-to-play, or in the benevolent dictatorship
> case create-to-play).
>
> Note "play" in the case is about "making significant strategic decisions"
> rather than simply "commit".
>
> I am not personally against benevolent dictatorship, that is how JTS
> (foundation of our industry) operates. It is just not the ideal we to
> promote as an organisation.
>
> With that in mind, I expect you can read the announcement of
> "benevolent dictator" as truth in advertising (which is to be applauded).
> Please check with the project if open development is something they wish to
> work towards while in incubation, or if they wish to withdraw from
> incubation.
>
> If you feel especially worried about this one we can bump it up to the
> board to confirm our mandate as incubation committee, but this looks
> to fall within our jurisdiction (specifically your role as mentor).
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 at 10:00 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>
> Please note the email exchange below.
>
> I would appreciate some advice from my Incubation Committee colleagues
> prior to progressing further with this issue.
>
>
>
> The Rasdaman project has now declared itself to be "benevolent
> dictatorship" project.
>
> I have been concerned for some time over the amount of decision making
> control that is held within the leadership group. This group is closely
> related to the Rasdaman GmbH company.
>
> While the project leadership team are making positive steps to open up
> discussions on issues to the wider community, the decision making process
> is far from transparent and is tightly controlled.
>
> I'm personally not comfortable with this situation and am seeing a real
> danger of the project becoming a free development team for Rasdaman GmbH,
> but with the project members having no real control over the future
> directions of the project.
>
> You may also recall my comments in my last Incubation Report [1] relating
> to the decision making process in this project.
>
> Is this a situation that we wish to see within an OSGeo endorsed project?
>
> What are your thoughts on the matter?
>
> Bruce
>
> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IncCom_Report22
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Bruce Bannerman* <B.Bannerman at bom.gov.au>
> Date: Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:49 AM
> Subject: FW: [rasdaman-dev] patch quality [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
> To: Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
> On 30/07/13 4:53 PM, "Peter Baumann" <p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>
> wrote:
>
> >Bruce,
> >
> >as below:
> >
> >On 07/30/2013 02:53 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
> >> Peter,
> >>
> >> Out of interest:
> >>
> >> What process are we using to review and accept contributed patches?
> >
> >the patch manager page accepts submissions, which are reviewed by
> >committers
> >internally. Everyone can commit, upon doubts we discuss. Accepted or
> >rejected,
> >submitters get notified.
> >
> >>
> >> Who undertakes this work?
> >
> >committers currently are:
> >Peter Baumann
> >Dimitar Misev
> >Stephan Meissl
> >
> >>
> >> Do we have a formal group of 'committers' to undertake this task?
> >
> >the above ones who get active depending on availability (we have a quite
> >high
> >submission frequency).
> >
> >>
> >> How do community members become committers? What process is used?
> >
> >as Piero mentioned recently: we have the "benevolent dictatorship"
> >variant in place.
> >open and free discussion, and everybody for sure is heard, but I reserve
> >the
> >right for an ultimate decision.
> >
> >-Peter
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 29/07/13 5:24 PM, "Peter Baumann" <p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear contributors,
> >>>
> >>> continuously you are greatly enhancing rasdaman. Please take care of
> >>>the
> >>> advice
> >>> given on the patch submission page, in particular the code guide.
> >>> Frequent issues which may lead to rejection of a patch:
> >>> - no test provided for the fix/enhancement
> >>> - code guide violated, most commonly: formatting, use of variables
> >>> - fix addresses local problem reported, but obviously leaves open the
> >>> "hole" for
> >>> other, similar situations
> >>>
> >>> In particular fixes submitted against master must adhere to our
> >>> guidelines.
> >>>
> >>> thanks for caring, and keep on doing good things,
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> PS: an announcement: having Susanne on board now (she comes from the
> >>> PostgreSQL
> >>> and MySQL communities) we are getting further insights into OS code
> >>> management.
> >>> Stay tuned, she has spotted our petascope error handling!
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Dr. Peter Baumann
> >>>   - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
> >>>     www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann
> >>>     mail: p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
> >>>     tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
> >>>   - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
> >>>     www.rasdaman.com, mail: baumann at rasdaman.com
> >>>     tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
> >>> "Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis
> >>> ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli
> >>> destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer,
> >>>AD
> >>> 1083)
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> >  - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
> >    www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann
> >    mail: p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
> >    tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
> >  - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
> >    www.rasdaman.com, mail: baumann at rasdaman.com
> >    tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
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