[Incubator] Fwd: Rasdaman as a 'Benevolent Dictatorship'

Wed Jul 31 01:49:32 PDT 2013

I agree with Jody's and Bruce's comments, and refer back to our 
Graduation Checklist:
http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html

/The project has demonstrated ...[an] active and healthy community://
//...//
//Long term viability of the project is demonstrated by showing 
participation and direction from multiple developers, who come from 
multiple organisations.//
//Eg. The project is resilient enough to sustain loss of a developer or 
supporting organisation, often referred to as having a high bus factor. 
Decisions are made openly instead of behind closed doors, which empowers 
all developers to take ownership of the project and facilitates 
spreading of knowledge between current and future team members./

On 31/07/2013 3:29 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> So I think that means they do not quality for OSGeo incubation. Part 
> of our driver here is to promote open development (i.e. to ensure that 
> anyone can take part - it is not pay-to-play, or in the benevolent 
> dictatorship case create-to-play).
>
> Note "play" in the case is about "making significant strategic 
> decisions" rather than simply "commit".
>
> I am not personally against benevolent dictatorship, that is how JTS 
> (foundation of our industry) operates. It is just not the ideal we to 
> promote as an organisation.
>
> With that in mind, I expect you can read the announcement of 
> "benevolent dictator" as truth in advertising (which is to 
> be applauded). Please check with the project if open development is 
> something they wish to work towards while in incubation, or if they 
> wish to withdraw from incubation.
>
> If you feel especially worried about this one we can bump it up to the 
> board to confirm our mandate as incubation committee, but this looks 
> to fall within our jurisdiction (specifically your role as mentor).
>
> -- 
> Jody Garnett
>
> On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 at 10:00 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>
>> Please note the email exchange below.
>>
>> I would appreciate some advice from my Incubation Committee 
>> colleagues prior to progressing further with this issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Rasdaman project has now declared itself to be "benevolent 
>> dictatorship" project.
>>
>> I have been concerned for some time over the amount of decision 
>> making control that is held within the leadership group. This group 
>> is closely related to the Rasdaman GmbH company.
>>
>> While the project leadership team are making positive steps to open 
>> up discussions on issues to the wider community, the decision making 
>> process is far from transparent and is tightly controlled.
>>
>> I'm personally not comfortable with this situation and am seeing a 
>> real danger of the project becoming a free development team for 
>> Rasdaman GmbH, but with the project members having no real control 
>> over the future directions of the project.
>>
>> You may also recall my comments in my last Incubation Report [1] 
>> relating to the decision making process in this project.
>>
>> Is this a situation that we wish to see within an OSGeo endorsed project?
>>
>> What are your thoughts on the matter?
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IncCom_Report22
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Bruce Bannerman* <B.Bannerman at bom.gov.au 
>> <mailto:B.Bannerman at bom.gov.au>>
>> Date: Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:49 AM
>> Subject: FW: [rasdaman-dev] patch quality [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>> To: Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30/07/13 4:53 PM, "Peter Baumann" <p.baumann at jacobs-university.de 
>> <mailto:p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Bruce,
>> >
>> >as below:
>> >
>> >On 07/30/2013 02:53 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>> >> Peter,
>> >>
>> >> Out of interest:
>> >>
>> >> What process are we using to review and accept contributed patches?
>> >
>> >the patch manager page accepts submissions, which are reviewed by
>> >committers
>> >internally. Everyone can commit, upon doubts we discuss. Accepted or
>> >rejected,
>> >submitters get notified.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Who undertakes this work?
>> >
>> >committers currently are:
>> >Peter Baumann
>> >Dimitar Misev
>> >Stephan Meissl
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Do we have a formal group of 'committers' to undertake this task?
>> >
>> >the above ones who get active depending on availability (we have a quite
>> >high
>> >submission frequency).
>> >
>> >>
>> >> How do community members become committers? What process is used?
>> >
>> >as Piero mentioned recently: we have the "benevolent dictatorship"
>> >variant in place.
>> >open and free discussion, and everybody for sure is heard, but I reserve
>> >the
>> >right for an ultimate decision.
>> >
>> >-Peter
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Bruce
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 29/07/13 5:24 PM, "Peter Baumann" 
>> <p.baumann at jacobs-university.de <mailto:p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear contributors,
>> >>>
>> >>> continuously you are greatly enhancing rasdaman. Please take care of
>> >>>the
>> >>> advice
>> >>> given on the patch submission page, in particular the code guide.
>> >>> Frequent issues which may lead to rejection of a patch:
>> >>> - no test provided for the fix/enhancement
>> >>> - code guide violated, most commonly: formatting, use of variables
>> >>> - fix addresses local problem reported, but obviously leaves open the
>> >>> "hole" for
>> >>> other, similar situations
>> >>>
>> >>> In particular fixes submitted against master must adhere to our
>> >>> guidelines.
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks for caring, and keep on doing good things,
>> >>> Peter
>> >>>
>> >>> PS: an announcement: having Susanne on board now (she comes from the
>> >>> PostgreSQL
>> >>> and MySQL communities) we are getting further insights into OS code
>> >>> management.
>> >>> Stay tuned, she has spotted our petascope error handling!
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Dr. Peter Baumann
>> >>>   - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
>> >>> www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann 
>> <http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann>
>> >>>     mail: p.baumann at jacobs-university.de 
>> <mailto:p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>
>> >>>     tel: +49-421-200-3178 <tel:%2B49-421-200-3178>, fax: 
>> +49-421-200-493178 <tel:%2B49-421-200-493178>
>> >>>   - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
>> >>> www.rasdaman.com <http://www.rasdaman.com>, mail: 
>> baumann at rasdaman.com <mailto:baumann at rasdaman.com>
>> >>>     tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: 
>> +49-173-5837882 <tel:%2B49-173-5837882>
>> >>> "Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola 
>> incertis
>> >>> ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli
>> >>> destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer,
>> >>>AD
>> >>> 1083)
>> >>>
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>> >
>> >--
>> >Dr. Peter Baumann
>> >  - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
>> > www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann 
>> <http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann>
>> >    mail: p.baumann at jacobs-university.de 
>> <mailto:p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>
>> >    tel: +49-421-200-3178 <tel:%2B49-421-200-3178>, fax: 
>> +49-421-200-493178 <tel:%2B49-421-200-493178>
>> >  - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
>> > www.rasdaman.com <http://www.rasdaman.com>, mail: 
>> baumann at rasdaman.com <mailto:baumann at rasdaman.com>
>> >    tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882 
>> <tel:%2B49-173-5837882>
>> >"Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis
>> >ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli
>> >destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD
>> >1083)
>> >
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