[Incubator] gvSIG project graduation (Update)
Alvaro Anguix
aanguix at gvsig.com
Mon Oct 26 02:23:46 PDT 2015
Hi Cameron, all,
El 20/10/15 a las 22:48, Cameron Shorter escribió:
> Hi Alvaro
>
> You are right, I'm just one voice on the OSGeo Incubation committee.
> It would be good to hear the opinion of others as well.
We've waited some days to answer in case somebody wanted to add
anything. We suppose that the order members of OSGeo Incubation
Committee agree with you, and that they aren't any other additional
requirements.
>
> You are right, writing style is not a graduation criteria, and I'd
> vote to pass a project with sub-optimal writing style if the rest of
> the processes are in order.
>
> "Institutionalized Processes which are documented and FOLLOWED" is a
> requirement. My concern is that the management processes as documented
> are probably not being followed, as they would be difficult to be
> found by the development team, and probably not trusted as they don't
> look to be of the quality of the rest of the gvsig project.
>
> Hence my recommendation to incorporate decision making documentation
> into the rest of gvsig documentation.
>
> If time to complete is an issue, there are some work around options
> which I think would be acceptable.
> Such as putting a placeholder in your master documentation which
> references the wiki page where the core content is. (With an intent to
> move the rest of the docs later).
>
We finally have copied the contests directly in the documentation
section (better than a placeholder):
http://docs.gvsig.org/plone/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/about-technical-decisions/
At this way all the contents are in the same site.
In future, we'll migrate all the information to the new gvSIG website (I
hope it will be in the next months).
We understand that everything is ok to proceed to vote the graduation of
gvSIG project.
I would like to ask you when it's planned to decide it. I don't know
the procedure of OSGeo Incubation Committee from this point.
Thanks,
Alvaro
> I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on whether you think my
> documentation comments are worth implementing, and if so, see a plan
> as to how they would be implemented. Ideally also mention a timeframe
> which would show how it can be done in time for completing incubation
> before the next gvsig conference.
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Alvaro Anguix <aanguix at gvsig.com
> <mailto:aanguix at gvsig.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Cameron, all,
>
> El 20/10/15 a las 21:07, Cameron Shorter escribió:
>> Hi Alvaro,
>> I agree that it would be great to announce gvSIG's graduation
>> from OSGeo incubation at the gvSIG conference (on 4 Dec?), and I
>> think it is also achievable, but require a quick turn around. I'd
>> like to help you with that from the OSGeo Incubation Committee
>> side of things.
>>
>> With regards to the question of quality of documentation of
>> decision making processes, I do think this is important from an
>> incubation perspective, and is related to having
>> "institutionalized processes".
>>
>> Refer to:
>> http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html
>>
>> A project should have institutionalized the processes in this
>> list or provide justification why the process is not used.
>> ...
>>
>> Institutionalized Process
>> A documented process which which addresses a need and is
>> actively in use. It typically takes months before a process
>> becomes institutionalized.
>> /A more detailed definition of institutionalization is found
>> in the Capability Maturity Model (CMMI)
>> <http://www.sei.cmu.edu/library/abstracts/reports/02tr012.cfm>/
>> Open Source License
>
> I agree, but I think the point is made/ok.
>
> In your comments of the last email, you gave advice about writing
> style or the order of documentation publication (referring to
> language). Honestly, I think they are advices and recommendations,
> but not a requirement for graduation.
>
> Is it necessary to comply with those recommendations? I would like
> the committee clearly answers this question.
>
> Are we not getting into a level of detail that also is subjective?
>
> Best Regards,
> Alvaro
>
>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>
>> On 19/10/2015 10:17 pm, Alvaro Anguix wrote:
>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>
>>> About the documentation in Spanish/English, we are finishing the
>>> last translations of the user and developer documentation, and
>>> we will have the 100% of the gvSIG documentation in Spanish and
>>> English (and in Portuguese too). We also are finishing the
>>> migration of the old infrastructure (docs.gvsig.org
>>> <http://docs.gvsig.org>) to the new one. In any case we take all
>>> the suggestions and improvements into account, that we will
>>> tackle as soon as possible.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the doubt that we have is if these suggestions are
>>> requirements for the incubation. We understand that they aren't
>>> requirements for the graduation, but we would like to confirm
>>> it. Mainly because the 11th International gvSIG Conference will
>>> be held soon, and we would like to announce the graduation
>>> previously.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Alvaro
>>>
>>>
>>> El 16/10/15 a las 22:10, Cameron Shorter escribió:
>>>> Hi Alvaro,
>>>> Sorry for the slow response.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your updated principles. I've just reviewed and here
>>>> is my feedback:
>>>>
>>>> I think that you have captured the process of making technical
>>>> decisions, which is good. However:
>>>>
>>>> * The documentation is in a wiki [1], and not presented in the
>>>> same prominence as the rest of the gvsig documentation [2]. I'd
>>>> suggest that your processes should be moved out of the wiki,
>>>> and into the same doc system as the rest of the docs, probably
>>>> at:
>>>> http://docs.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/<something>
>>>> You might want to include the processes as another chapter in
>>>> the existing Developers Guide.
>>>> A good example you could follow is the GeoServer docs page [3]
>>>> which includes "Policies and Procedures".
>>>>
>>>> * The current text reads a bit like a news article, written
>>>> from an outsider's point of view, describing how you have
>>>> noticed that decisions are made. What would be better is
>>>> writing an authoritative process which gvSig team members
>>>> sometimes quote and refer to when making decisions. A news
>>>> article becomes dated, a documented process should be useful
>>>> for the community, and will get updated over time.
>>>>
>>>> * The text looks like it has been written by one person, and
>>>> hasn't yet been reviewed by other core gvSig members. I'd
>>>> suggest that you'd likely get good feedback from your internal
>>>> gvSig community if you were to ask:
>>>> "Does this text accurately represent how we should make
>>>> decisions in the future? Are we as a community prepared to use
>>>> this documented process as a guide for our future decisions?"
>>>>
>>>> * I notice that much of the gvSig documentation is written in
>>>> Spanish. I'm not sure, but it is possible you would get better
>>>> feedback from your community if this document was written first
>>>> in Spanish, and if desired, later translated to English.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry again for the delayed response, and also for giving you
>>>> more homework. I do encourage you to keep going because I think
>>>> it would be valuable for the gvsig community.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://redmine.gvsig.net/redmine/projects/gvsig-desktop/wiki/Wiki
>>>> [2] http://docs.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/
>>>> [3] http://docs.geoserver.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/10/2015 7:19 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Alvaro! Recovering from foss4g on this end, thanks for
>>>>> updating the wiki. I believe we are getting down to the end
>>>>> here, thanks for the clarifications.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 October 2015 at 05:37, Alvaro Anguix <aanguix at gvsig.com
>>>>> <mailto:aanguix at gvsig.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Apologies for the delay, but I've been in 2nd gvSIG
>>>>> Conference in Peru
>>>>> and I couldn't update the checklist information before.
>>>>> Now it's updated:
>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GvSIG_Incubation_Checklist
>>>>>
>>>>> The principal link about technical decisions and gvSIG
>>>>> organization is this:
>>>>> https://redmine.gvsig.net/redmine/projects/gvsig-desktop/wiki/Wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Alvaro
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>> Cameron Shorter,
>> Software and Data Solutions Manager
>> LISAsoft
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>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
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> Cameron Shorter,
> Software and Data Solutions Manager
> LISAsoft
> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>
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