[Qgis-psc] Voting for grants

Sat May 30 01:21:50 PDT 2020

Hi Régis,

Hope you are well and recovered fully :)

I don't have the exact number, but comparing the votes from previous years
and the number of QGIS user groups is a good indicator.

Losing voting rights was just an idea to nudge more participation. There
are other methods of persuading more engagement (announcing monthly/yearly
most active user groups, asking a local chapter to write a blog post/case
study, QGIS.org sponsoring  local chapter meetups, ...).

In terms of having it fair and unbiased, I think Nyall's proposal to limit
one vote per organisation seems very reasonable and easier to implement.
Kind regards
Saber

On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 20:52, Régis Haubourg <regis.haubourg at oslandia.com>
wrote:

> Hi Saber,
>
>
> On 29/05/2020 21:33, Saber Razmjooei wrote:
>
> Hi Even,
>
> People can vote for other proposals except not from theirs and their
> organisation. Looking through previous years voting, it would be better to
> persuade more active participation especially from QGIS User Group. This
> can be done:
> - Better communicating the proposals and asking them to circulate it
> through their users: blog posts, social media, etc
>
> Yes, for sure this is a good idea. I will try to push more discussion in
> France. Do you have statistics of user groups having missed a vote?- If
> they fail to vote on X number of occasions, they will be removed as a
> voting member for Y years/until a formal request....
>
Well, I gently disagree. The voting culture is different between countries,
> but I can't imagine loosing my voting abilities because I abstained for
> some years. And we would need to change the QGIS.org status I think, right?
>
>
> Doing so, it will ensure  a more diverse and democratic way of selecting
> proposals.
>
> My opinion is that Even's proposal of having a larger voting member base
> should be the right one.
>
> We already have a very biased voting member bias, because most of us are
> either self interested, or ultra power users, and we do not necessarily
> reflect the massive and silent user base. BTW most of the do not even know
> about the democratic nature of QGIS.org. Each time I explain this to
> customers, they truly are surprised, and are really delighted to see how we
> deal with this. The results are not perfect, but at least we are building
> something that gives trust and hope to our contributors and user.
>
> I understand it will add overhead and more bureaucracy and be happy to
> help if needed.
>
> I would personally prefer  the PSC to be a bit more directive in the
> pre-filtering what proposals are really in the priorities for the goodness
> of the project.
>
> From what I have seen up to now, this is exactly what the PSC is doing
> currently, and I am happy with it this year.
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Take care and keep up the good work!
>
> Régis
>
> Saber
>
>
>
> On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 18:14, Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On vendredi 29 mai 2020 17:46:15 CEST Saber Razmjooei wrote:
>>
>> > Dear PSC,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Are there any criteria in-place when voting for grants? I suggest to
>> have a
>>
>> > similar approach Marco recommended for handling votes for core members.
>>
>> > Specifically, to keep the voting fair and unbiased, it will be good for
>>
>> > members of the same organization to abstain from voting for their
>>
>> > colleagues' proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>> And what about for people with voting rights having themselves submitted
>> one or several proposals: should they refrain from voting at all ? or
>> shouldn't they be able to vote for their own proposals ?
>>
>>
>>
>> If I try to find an equivalent outside of QGIS context, here in France we
>> have very small villages (several tens of people at most), and there are
>> still elections to elect the municipal council: nothing prevent the
>> candidates from voting for themselves and their co-listers. Actually, if
>> they didn't, there would be very few votes!
>>
>>
>>
>> The only solution to limit bias would be to extend significantly the size
>> of the voting body, so that people voting for their own proposal or their
>> colleagues' has no significant impact.
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, preventing people from an organization to vote for their
>> colleagues' proposal could introduce bias. If that proposal is "in a
>> objective way" a good one, not being able to vote for it and being obliged
>> to select "inferior" proposals could cause a undesired bias in the results,
>> given the modest size of the voting body.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd say keep the rules simple and trust people good judgmenent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even
>>
>>
>>
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>
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