[Qgis-user] wishing for accurate lattitude/longitude from a cell phone

Sat May 23 12:51:40 PDT 2020

One app that claims to do a lot of what high precions gps does is https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gr.stasta.mobiletopographer&hl=en_GB It does allow averaging and shows quite a lot of what is going on, but still limited by the phone's antenna.  May have to take some of the accuracy figures it produces with a pinch of salt and remember that graph I mentioned earlier in this thread that shows how the errors change (direction/size) over time during the day.
[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KQTZIANk_20sZNVWJWTLQs0haOnA4hAXmLcPSwU_Adb4TPCt_jC5RowT1moahou2Jq4]<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gr.stasta.mobiletopographer&hl=en_GB>
Mobile Topographer Free – Apps on Google Play<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gr.stasta.mobiletopographer&hl=en_GB>
Your mobile Topographer! The leading tool for the professional surveyor or anyone who wants to mark his property, offering the best accuracy and extensive functionality that no other app can! *** Increase GPS accuracy using: - Weighted averaging (on every axis). - Map calibration. - Device calibration on map, or on a know point. *** Display and convert GPS geodetic to Cartesian EN coordinates ...
play.google.com

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Hi Steve,

I think there are two different aspects to your question:
1) Accuracy of GPS Devices
I agree with others that you can't expect a better accuracy than the 10 to 30 feet you observed with a smartphone or a simple handheld GPS. This might improve by averaging, but this takes time. Survey grade GPS devices are very expensive. It is possible to get good modules and antennas as components, but building a complete GNSS system requires time and skill. This would reduce cost, but only to several hundred instead of several thousand dollars, so this is no option in your case. Besides, you will still need a correction data service (usually costly) or use two receivers (rover and base).
So you probably have to stick with your phone, which is more flexible regarding the software than a handheld GPS.

2) Software
The accuracy of the recorded position should not depend on where you tap the screen - a good app should allow to record the current GPS position. I am using Locus Map (Asamm Software) for a while now, it works quite well, although it does not allow position averaging. There is a free version, you could try that first.

Regards,
Jochen

Am 22.05.20 um 20:54 schrieb Stephen Sacks:

In order to make widely available some wise advice, I'm sending to this list a message I received from Neil B.  In addition to Neil's message below, I want to mention that Nicolas Cadieux also provided similar information, saying I'd have to pay around $1,000 for equipment that gives consistently accurate location coordinates.  And thanks, also to Falk Huettmann and Bernd Vogelgesang for their replies.

Message from Neil B:

Hello Stephen.
Glad that you're having success. I would like to start off by saying that it is best to always reply to the mailing list and not directly to the person who submitted the email. Mailing lists work really well in that there is a pool of people out there who may be able to offer advice or may have an alternate method to solve the problem that may turn out to be a better way. On the flip side by maintaining the email chain through the mailing list, the follow up emails that provide information are stored in the archives which benefits anyone searching the internet to have the complete trail of information.

As far as your results they are acceptable for the device you're using. GPS in phones are never built to precision survey standards and there is no reason for them to be. If you're within 30ft of where the phone thinks you should be then you can easily navigate the rest of the way by visual sight. High end equipment to achieve sub-inch accuracy is probably in the range of thousands of dollars. One thing to keep in mind is there is a difference between the accuracy of a device and to what level of precision they display. While the app on the phone may display 8 decimal places of a lat/long coordinate and tell you if you have moved a foot, it doesn't help that the coordinate it is displaying is out +/- 30 feet. The accuracy of a device can also be affected by the environment where the device is being operated. In regards to cell phones, they use multiple sources to determine location such as GPS, cell phone towers, and wifi points to perform the triangulation. Lack of line of sight to satellites, signals from cell towers bouncing off of surrounding buildings, or someone's wireless router using inaccurate position information can all affect the accuracy of what is being displayed on your phone.

So the question is how are you determining that the coordinates are wrong? If you have information that you trust to be authoritative then adjust your points to those values and carry on. I have no advice or opinions on inexpensive devices that may help with a more accurate reading.

Please do not respond directly to me. This email account is not actively monitored and I don't always have the time to follow up with the emails. All the best with your endeavours.

~Neil B.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:52 PM Stephen Sacks <sacks44 at earthlink.net<mailto:sacks44 at earthlink.net>> wrote:

Hi Neil,

   With your help, I have successfully brought the corners of our gardens back from Pennsylvania to the Promenade here in Brooklyn Heights, New York.  Thank you.
   At the risk of wearing out my welcome, I'm now asking for more advice.  My point features are approximately where they should be but not exactly, some points are just a few feet off and some are 10 or even 30 feet off.  I imported the data trying both EPSG 4326 and 4269.
   I'm now convinced that the problem is due to (1) my Google Pixel 3 cellphone, (2) the app I'm using ("Latitude Longitude" published by gps-coordinates), and  especially (3) my less-than-steady hands.  I capture coordinates by standing at spot, waiting for the blue dot to settle, and then touching the blue dot.  Often I don't touch the screen at exactly the right place.  I tried another app ("GPS Coordinates" published by Financept) which is better in that it allows me to zoom in, but I'm still not always getting it right.
  I'm thinking now that I need specialized equipment.  That is what I want to ask you.  Can you recommend some inexpensive device that will allow me to simply press a button to record accurately the coordinates of the point where I'm standing?  Keep in mind that this is a community project with no funding.  I live on Social Security and a university pension, but I'm willing to pay something in the range of $50 or a bit more.  Do you know of anything at such a modest price, or would I have to pay much more?  Or perhaps you know of better software for my Android Pixel 3 phone.
     Thanks in advance for any advice you might offer.
                  Steve

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