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Starting: Tue May 1 00:45:47 PDT 2007
Ending: Thu May 31 12:39:06 PDT 2007
Messages: 344

• [postgis-users] "Gist" code doesnt use "R-tree"....??? Why???   ?? ?
• [postgis-users] "Gist" code doesnt use "R-tree"....??? Why???   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] "Gist" code doesnt use "R-tree"....??? Why???   ?? ?
• [postgis-users] "Gist" code doesnt use "R-tree"....??? Why???   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] (no subject)   gavin.churcher at bt.com
• [postgis-users] (no subject)   Jennehag Åke
• [postgis-users] <kein Betreff>   Stefan Zweig
• [postgis-users] RE: [Geoserver-users] Time series in PostGIS   Ragi Y. Burhum
• [postgis-users] Re: [Geoserver-users] Time series in postGIS?   Andrea Aime
• [postgis-users] RE: [Geoserver-users] Time series in postGIS?   Stephen Crawford
• [postgis-users] Re: [Geoserver-users] Time series in postGIS?   Andrea Aime
• [postgis-users] RE: [Geoserver-users] Time series in postGIS?   ValiSystem
• [postgis-users] RE: [Geoserver-users] Time series in postGIS?   Nicolaas Geldenhuys
• [postgis-users] RE: [Geoserver-users] Time series in postGIS?   Stephen Crawford
• [postgis-users] Re: [postgis-devel] Moving towards a 1.2.2 release?   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] Re: [postgis-devel] Moving towards a 1.2.2 release?   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] Re: [postgis-devel] Moving towards a 1.2.2 release?   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] Re: [postgis-devel] Moving towards a 1.2.2 release?   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] Re: [postgis-devel] Moving towards a 1.2.2 release?   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] Re: [postgis-devel] Moving towards a 1.2.2 release?   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] Re: [postgis-devel] Moving towards a 1.2.2 release?   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] Re: [postgis-devel] Moving towards a 1.2.2 release?   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] Re: [postgis-devel] Moving towards a 1.2.2 release?   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] Re: [postgis-devel] Moving towards a 1.2.2 release?   TECHER David
• [postgis-devel] Re: [postgis-users] installation problem   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-devel] Re: [postgis-users] installation problem   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-devel] Re: [postgis-users] installation problem   vamsee movva
• [postgis-devel] Re: [postgis-users] installation problem   Greg Troxel
• [postgis-devel] Re: [postgis-users] installation problem   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] [postgis] gist function call problem   Kim Sang-hun
• [postgis-users] adding multipolygons   Malm Paul
• [postgis-users] adding multipolygons   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] adding multipolygons   Malm Paul
• [postgis-users] adding multipolygons   Robert Coup
• [postgis-users] adding multipolygons   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] adding multipolygons   Malm Paul
• [postgis-users] angle on terminal point of line   luca marletta
• [postgis-users] angle on terminal point of line   David William Bitner
• [postgis-users] Anybody going to PGCon?   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] Anybody going to PGCon?   Stephen Frost
• [postgis-users] Anybody going to PGCon?   Pedro Doria Meunier
• [postgis-users] Arcpad-Postgis   Patrice William Yem-Yem
• [postgis-users] azimuth and correct angle   luca marletta
• [postgis-users] Re: azimuth and correct angle   luca marletta
• [postgis-users] Best way to combine a polygon   Rob Tester
• [postgis-users] Best way to combine a polygon   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] Best way to combine a polygon   Rob Tester
• [postgis-users] Best way to return a WKB when using pglib   Rob Tester
• [postgis-users] Best way to return a WKB when using pglib   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] Best way to return a WKB when using pglib   mateusz at loskot.net
• [postgis-users] Buffer Function   Will Muir
• [postgis-users] Buffer Function   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] Buffering with JDBC   shojka at web.de
• [postgis-users] Buffering with JDBC   Leticia
• [postgis-users] Buffering with JDBC   backo lodovik
• [postgis-users] Buffering with JDBC   Leticia
• [postgis-users] Buffering with JDBC   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] Buffering with JDBC   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] Re: Buffering with JDBC   shojka at web.de
• [postgis-users] Re: Buffering with JDBC   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] Re: Buffering with JDBC   shojka at web.de
• [postgis-users] Re: Buffering with JDBC   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] Buffering with JDBC   backo lodovik
• [postgis-users] Buffering with JDBC   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] Buffering with JDBC   shojka at web.de
• [postgis-users] Correcting polygon with holes   Malm Paul
• [postgis-users] correcting polygons   Malm Paul
• [postgis-users] correcting polygons   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] count points of a geometry   Stefan Zweig
• [postgis-users] count points of a geometry   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] count points of a geometry   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] create a point fom lat/lon   Nahum Castro
• [postgis-users] create a point fom lat/lon   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] create a point fom lat/lon   Stephen Woodbridge
• [postgis-users] create a point fom lat/lon   Nahum Castro
• [postgis-users] Creating an ellipse area ?   Flavio Perri
• [postgis-users] Creating an ellipse area ?   Bruce Rindahl
• [postgis-users] Creating an ellipse area ?   Flavio Perri
• [postgis-users] Creating an ellipse area ?   Bruce Rindahl
• [postgis-users] Data cleaning options   Tim Keitt
• [postgis-users] Data cleaning options   Michael Welter
• [postgis-users] Data cleaning options   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] Data cleaning options   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] Degrees of a linestring segment   Flavio Perri
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Michael Welter
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Michael Welter
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Michael Welter
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Michael Welter
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Matthew Perry
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Matthew Perry
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] distance between two POINTM   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] dividing polygons with holes into triangles   Malm Paul
• [postgis-users] docs   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] docs   Michael Welter
• [postgis-users] Downstream in network analysis   mario albuja
• [postgis-users] error in extent command   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] error in extent command   temiz
• [postgis-users] Error installing PostGis   postgreadm at ibge.gov.br
• [postgis-users] Error installing PostGis   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] ersi shapefile java acess   David Potts
• [postgis-users] ersi shapefile java acess   Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)
• [postgis-users] Experiment: Glassfish/EJB3 and PostGIS   Bastian Voigt
• [postgis-users] Experiment: Glassfish/EJB3 and PostGIS   Gustavo Ces
• [postgis-users] Experiment: Glassfish/EJB3 and PostGIS   Rabbia Qaswar
• [postgis-users] Experiment: Glassfish/EJB3 and PostGIS   Bastian Voigt
• [postgis-users] Find holes in polygons   Thorsten Kraus
• [postgis-users] Find holes in polygons   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] FOSS4G -- 2008?   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] French PostGIS documentation updated   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] French PostGIS documentation updated   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] French PostGIS documentation updated   Jan Hartmann
• [postgis-users] French PostGIS documentation updated   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] French PostGIS documentation updated   Daniel Morissette
• [postgis-users] French PostGIS documentation updated   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] Fun uses for the asKML() function in PostGIS !!   Dylan Beaudette
• [postgis-users] function speed   Christo Du Preez
• [postgis-users] function speed   Dmitri Maximovich
• [postgis-users] function speed   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] function speed   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] function speed   Christo Du Preez
• [postgis-users] function speed   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Martin Davis
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Martin Davis
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Rob Agar
• [postgis-users] GeomUnion problem   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] Get points from a MULTILINESTRING   Tyler Durden
• [postgis-users] Get points from a MULTILINESTRING   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] Get points from a MULTILINESTRING   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] Get points from a MULTILINESTRING   Dylan Beaudette
• [postgis-users] Get points from a MULTILINESTRING   shojka at web.de
• [postgis-users] Get points from a MULTILINESTRING   backo lodovik
• [postgis-users] How to load Invalid Geometries PostGIS   Orlando Giovanny Solarte Delgado
• [postgis-users] How to load Invalid Geometries PostGIS   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] How to load Invalid Geometries PostGIS   Stephen Woodbridge
• [postgis-users] How to Repair Invalid Geometries???   Orlando Giovanny Solarte Delgado
• [postgis-users] Instalation problem on Ubuntu Dapper   Tyler Durden
• [postgis-users] Instalation problem on Ubuntu Dapper   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] Instalation problem on Ubuntu Dapper   Tyler Durden
• [postgis-users] Instalation problem on Ubuntu Dapper   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] Install problem   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] Install problem   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] Install problem   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] Install problem   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] Install problem   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] Install problem   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] Install problem   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] installation problem   vamsee movva
• [postgis-users] installation problem   Doug_Newcomb at fws.gov
• [postgis-users] installation problem   vamsee movva
• [postgis-users] installation problem   Doug_Newcomb at fws.gov
• [postgis-users] installation problem   Martin Spott
• [postgis-users] installation problem   vamsee movva
• [postgis-users] installation problem   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] Intersect?   Stephen Crawford
• [postgis-users] Intersect?   Martin Davis
• [postgis-users] Intersect?   Bruce Rindahl
• [postgis-users] intersection problem   caij at lreis.ac.cn
• [postgis-users] intersection problem   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] invalid polygons: error type in query results   Ted Scharff
• [postgis-users] invalid polygons: error type in query results   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] liblwgeom.dll API?   gavin.churcher at bt.com
• [postgis-users] liblwgeom.dll API?   David William Bitner
• [postgis-users] liblwgeom.dll API?   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] liblwgeom.dll API?   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] LWGEOM_gist_joinsel called with arguments that are not column references   Flavio Perri
• [postgis-users] LWGEOM_gist_joinsel called with arguments that are not column references   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] LWGEOM_gist_joinsel called with arguments that are not column references   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] LWGEOM_gist_joinsel called with arguments that are not column references   Flavio Perri
• [postgis-users] Modify encoding of shapefile   Arnaud Lesauvage
• [postgis-users] Modify encoding of shapefile   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] Modify encoding of shapefile   Arnaud Lesauvage
• [postgis-users] Modify encoding of shapefile   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] Modify encoding of shapefile   Arnaud Lesauvage
• [postgis-users] Modify encoding of shapefile   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] Modify encoding of shapefile   Arnaud Lesauvage
• [postgis-users] Moving to production server   Jeff Dege
• [postgis-users] Moving to production server   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] multipolygon polygon test intersects   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] multipolygon polygon test intersects   Christo Du Preez
• [postgis-users] multipolygon polygon test intersects   Christo Du Preez
• [postgis-users] multipolygon polygon test intersects   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] multipolygon polygon test intersects   Christo Du Preez
• [postgis-users] multipolygon polygon test intersects   Christo Du Preez
• [postgis-users] multipolygon polygon test intersects   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] multipolygon polygon test intersects   Christo Du Preez
• [postgis-users] multipolygons to polygons   Malm Paul
• [postgis-users] multipolygons to polygons   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] new SRID required for france : "NTF_Lambert_II_étendu"   Raphaël Jacquot
• [postgis-users] Newbie help   Andy Dale
• [postgis-users] Newbie help   Nahum Castro
• [postgis-users] Overlaps query   Thorsten Kraus
• [postgis-users] Overlaps query   Flavio Perri
• AW: [postgis-users] Overlaps query   Thorsten Kraus
• [postgis-users] Overlaps query   Nicolas Ribot
• AW: [postgis-users] Overlaps query   Robert Coup
• AW: AW: [postgis-users] Overlaps query   Thorsten Kraus
• [postgis-users] PgRouting 1.0.0.a for win32 available   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] Possibility to join PostGISwithnon spatialdbstored attribute data   Martin Davis
• [postgis-users] Possibility to join PostGISwithnon spatialdbstored attribute data   Bruce Rindahl
• [postgis-users] Possibility to join PostGIS withnon spatialdbstored attribute data   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] Possibility to join PostGIS withnon spatialdbstored attribute data   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] Possibility to join PostGIS with non spatialdbstored attribute data   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] Possibility to join PostGIS with non spatialdbstored attribute data   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] Possibility to join PostGIS with non spatialdbstored attribute data   Steven De Vriendt
• [postgis-users] Possibility to join PostGIS with non spatial dbstored attribute data   Bruce Rindahl
• [postgis-users] Possibility to join PostGIS with non spatial dbstored attribute data   Steven De Vriendt
• [postgis-users] Possibility to join PostGIS with non spatial db stored attribute data   Steven De Vriendt
• [postgis-users] Possibility to join PostGIS withnon spatialdbstored attribute data   Steven De Vriendt
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Martin Spott
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Yeroc
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Greg Williamson
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Frank Warmerdam
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   John Zastrow
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   ValiSystem
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] PostGIS 2.0 Wishlist   Christian Heine
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0 wishlist   Willy-Bas Loos
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0 wishlist   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0 wishlist   David William Bitner
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0 wishlist   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0 wishlist   Willy-Bas Loos
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0 wishlist   David William Bitner
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0 wishlist   Willy-Bas Loos
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0 wishlist   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0 wishlist   Dave Potts
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0: geodetic coordinates support   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0: geodetic coordinates support   Julio Galindo
• [postgis-users] Postgis 2.0: geodetic coordinates support   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] postgis function   Valtz Com
• [postgis-users] postgis function   Uwe Seher
• [postgis-users] postgis function   Frank Koormann
• [postgis-users] Potential errors in JDBC documentation   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] Potential errors in JDBC documentation   Nicolas Ribot
• [postgis-users] Potential errors in JDBC documentation   shojka at web.de
• [postgis-users] precision limitations   Violetta Kalathaki
• [postgis-users] precision limitations   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] Problem with Contains in Postgis 1.2.1   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] Problem with Contains in Postgis 1.2.1   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] problem with subselect in hql   Mikkel Troest
• [postgis-users] problem with subselect in hql   Mikkel Troest
• [postgis-users] Problem with syntax in function   Ludovico Bianchini
• [postgis-users] Problem with syntax in function   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] Problem with syntax in function   Ludovico Bianchini
• [postgis-users] Problem with syntax in function   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] Problem with syntax in function   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] Problem with syntax in function   Ludovico Bianchini
• [postgis-users] problems with dumpin postgis data to shapefiles   Stefan Zweig
• Re: [postgis-users] problems with dumpin postgis data to shapefiles   Stefan Zweig
• [postgis-users] problems with shp2pgsql   Bruce Rusk
• [postgis-users] problems with shp2pgsql   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] query becomes much slower after Postgres 8.2.4 and Postgis 1.2.1 upgrade   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] query becomes much slower after Postgres 8.2.4 and Postgis 1.2.1 upgrade   Michael Fuhr
• [postgis-users] query becomes much slower after Postgres 8.2.4 and Postgis 1.2.1 upgrade   Jessica Richard
• [postgis-users] raster   Malm Paul
• [postgis-users] raster   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] raster   Malm Paul
• [postgis-users] raster   Uwe Seher
• [postgis-users] Scale without translate?   Jeff Dege
• [postgis-users] Scale without translate?   Bruce Rindahl
• [postgis-users] Scale without translate?   Webb Sprague
• [postgis-users] Scale without translate?   Rob Agar
• [postgis-users] Scale without translate?   Bruce Rindahl
• [postgis-users] Scale without translate?   Mark Leslie
• [postgis-users] Scale without translate?   Jeff Dege
• [postgis-users] Scale without translate?   Bruce Rindahl
• [postgis-users] Scale without translate?   Simon Greener
• [postgis-users] Shared geometries?   Jeff Dege
• [postgis-users] Shared geometries?   Stephen Woodbridge
• [postgis-users] Shared geometries?   Marc Compte
• [postgis-users] Shared geometries?   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] Shared geometries?   Stephen Woodbridge
• [postgis-users] Shared geometries?   Dylan Beaudette
• [postgis-users] Re: Slow spatial join   Anders Larsson
• [postgis-users] Re: Slow spatial join   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] Slow spatial join?   Anders Larsson
• [postgis-users] Slow spatial join?   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] Spatial query examples   Jose Gomez-Dans
• [postgis-users] Spatial query examples   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] Spatial query examples   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] Spatial query examples   Jose Gomez-Dans
• [postgis-users] Support for PostGIS/PostgreSQL   Jennehag Åke
• [postgis-users] Support for PostGIS/PostgreSQL   Stefan Zweig
• [postgis-users] Support for PostGIS/PostgreSQL   Anton A. Patrushev
• [postgis-users] Support for PostGIS/PostgreSQL   Jennehag Åke
• [postgis-users] Support for PostGIS/PostgreSQL   Anton A. Patrushev
• [postgis-users] Support for PostGIS/PostgreSQL   Anders Larsson
• [postgis-users] Support for PostGIS/PostgreSQL   Anders Larsson
• [postgis-users] table join in MapServer   Michael Welter
• [postgis-users] table join in MapServer   Michael Welter
• [postgis-users] table join in MapServer   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] test for asX3D() for PostGIS 1.2.2 SVN   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] Testing PgRouting 1.0.0.a on Win32   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] The_geom from default   Stephen Crawford
• [postgis-users] The_geom from default   Mark Cave-Ayland
• [postgis-users] The_geom from default   Bruce Rindahl
• [postgis-users] The_geom from default   Stephen Crawford
• [postgis-users] TIGER & SRID   Michael Welter
• [postgis-users] TIGER & SRID   Randy George
• [postgis-users] TIGER & SRID   Stephen Woodbridge
• [postgis-users] TIGER & SRID   Michael Welter
• [postgis-users] Time series in postGIS?   Stephen Crawford
• [postgis-users] Transformation between SWEREF99 TM (3006) and WGS 84 (4326)   Hugo Wetterberg
• [postgis-users] use of the affine() function   Dylan Beaudette
• [postgis-users] use of the affine() function   Martin Davis
• [postgis-users] use of the affine() function   Matthew Perry
• [postgis-users] use of the affine() function   Stephen Woodbridge
• [postgis-users] use of the affine() function   Dylan Beaudette
• [postgis-users] Well done with GEOS & QGIS!!!   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] Well done with GEOS & QGIS!!!   Martin Davis
• [postgis-users] Well done with GEOS & QGIS!!!   Brent Wood
• [postgis-users] What are people using to load gps data?   Will Muir
• [postgis-users] What are people using to load gps data?   Matthew Perry
• [postgis-users] What are people using to load gps data? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]   Roppola, Antti - BRS
• [postgis-users] What are people using to load gps data? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]   Will Muir
• [postgis-users] WKT parsers   Mark Fredrickson
• [postgis-users] WKT parsers   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] WKT parsers   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] WKT parsers   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] WKT parsers   TECHER David
• [postgis-users] WKT parsers   Paul Ramsey
• [postgis-users] WKT parsers   Obe, Regina
• [postgis-users] WKT parsers   Mark Fredrickson

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